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The lower inset shows the Madonna and Child worshipped by St Francis, St Lucy and St Lawrence. This group is borrowed from Lelio Orsi's Madonna della Ghiara at Reggio Emilia.  The altar piece is copied from a design by Ciro Ferri.\r\n\r\nJohn Talman (1677-1726)  was the son of the celebrated architect William Talman. From about 1698 he was employed by his father to help assemble material for his extensive collection of architectural drawings, prints and books. A keen traveller, he went  to the Continent twice in search of acquisitions. He visited the northern Netherlands, France, Germany and Italy, and he made numerous watercolour copies of altarpieces and churches in Rome. \r\n\r\nTalman was back in England in 1715. He was a founder-member of the Tavern Society, London, which later became the Society of Antiquaries, and he was appointed its first director. Like his father, Talman believed in the elevating purpose of art and in the use of art collections for the public good. Although his will indicates that he had wanted his vast collection (which contained over 32,000 prints and drawings), to go to Trinity College, Cambridge, he later changed his mind and instructed that it should be sold for the benefit of his children. A portion of the collection was nonetheless given outright to the Society of Antiquaries, who acquired further items from the auction in London on 19 April 1727. \r\n\r\nThis drawing is part of an album in the V&A collections that contain drawings made by Talman and other artists. Talman intended to publish it for the benefit and enjoyement of a wider public.","physicalDescription":"Design for an altar with an inset in the upper panel showing the hooking a fish. The lower inset shows the Madonna and Child worshipped by St Francis, St Lucy and St Lawrence. This group is borrowed from Lelio Orsi's Madonna della Ghiara at Reggio Emilia.  The altar piece is copied from a design by Ciro Ferri.","artistMakerPerson":[{"name":{"text":"John Talman","id":"A22773"},"association":{"text":"artist","id":"AAT25103"},"note":""},{"name":{"text":"Lelio Orsi","id":"AUTH326618"},"association":{"text":"artist","id":"AAT25103"},"note":"original artist"},{"name":{"text":"Ciro Ferri","id":"A27828"},"association":{"text":"artist","id":"AAT25103"},"note":"original artist"}],"artistMakerOrganisations":[],"artistMakerPeople":[],"materials":[{"text":"pen and ink","id":"x30618"},{"text":"wash","id":"AAT11051"}],"techniques":[{"text":"architectural drawing","id":"AAT54197"}],"materialsAndTechniques":"pen and ink and wash","categories":[{"text":"Architecture","id":"THES48993"},{"text":"Drawings","id":"THES48966"},{"text":"Designs","id":"THES48968"}],"styles":[],"collectionCode":{"text":"PDP","id":"THES48595"},"images":["2006AC9447","2018KV7878","2018KV7877"],"imageResolution":"high","galleryLocations":[{"current":{"text":"WS (VA)","id":"THES49603"},"free":"","case":"R","shelf":"35","box":"R"}],"partTypes":[[{"text":"watercolour and ink","id":""}]],"contentWarnings":[{"apprise":"","note":""}],"placesOfOrigin":[{"place":{"text":"Britain","id":"x32019"},"association":{"text":"made","id":"x28654"},"note":""}],"productionDates":[{"date":{"text":"c.1710","earliest":"1705-01-01","latest":"1714-12-31"},"association":{"text":"made","id":"x28654"},"note":""}],"associatedObjects":[],"creditLine":"From the collections of J. 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Inlaid\r\nin the frame of an altar drawn by a different hand \r\nInscribed underneath in ink 'Ciro Ferri' \r\nPen and ink and blue wash \r\n6 ¼ x 4 ¼ (158 x 108) \t\tE.335\r\nPROVENANCE J. Talman; Francis St John; Marquess of Cholmondeley (in the album described in Appendix A and in Lugt 2462) \r\n\r\nThe group of the Virgin and Child is borrowed from Lelio Orsi's well known Madonna della Ghiara at Reggio Emilia. The altar-piece is copied (possibly by Talman) from a design by Ciro Ferri which is reproduced in an engraving in &lt;i&gt;Disegni di vari altari e cappelle nelle chiese di Roma... date in luce da Gio. Ciacomo de Rossi ..., n.d. \r\n"},{"reference":{"text":"","id":""},"details":"","free":"<u>Victoria and Albert Museum, Department of Engraving, Illustration and Design and Department of Paintings, Accessions 1937</u>, London: Board of Education, 1938."}],"production":"","productionType":{"text":"","id":""},"contentDescription":"","contentPlaces":[],"associatedPlaces":[],"contentPerson":[],"associatedPerson":[],"contentOrganisations":[],"associatedOrganisations":[],"contentPeople":[],"associatedPeople":[],"contentEvents":[],"associatedEvents":[],"contentOthers":[],"contentConcepts":[],"contentLiteraryRefs":[],"galleryLabels":[],"partNumbers":["E.335-1937"],"accessionNumberNum":"335","accessionNumberPrefix":"E","accessionYear":1937,"otherNumbers":[],"copyNumber":"","aspects":["WHOLE"],"assets":[],"recordModificationDate":"2025-04-19","recordCreationDate":"2008-08-05","availableToBook":false}}